Different people seem to have got different answers when asking who's-the-same-as-who. I've been exchanging emails with 2 of the photographers involved and the answers I got were different from anything I read below. One of them told me that the other one, "a friend of his", was deliberately spinning a web of confusion to make it appear that he was multiple photographers because like that he could sell more to the likes of Met and FJ than a single photographer could. And would I please not reveal that photographer X is really the same as Y...
One thing that appears certain is that Skokov aka Sergey Akion aka Marian Silva aka M.Smirnov is a different photographer. He's located in Krasnodar (southern Russia) whereas Clemens plus aliases plus twin brothers is located in St-Petersburg. Skokov and Clemens know each other and have been known to exchange models, e.g. Skokov has "borrowed" Annett for a few shootings on the Black Sea coast and Clemens has borrowed Sofy B, a Skokov model from Krasnodar, for a few shootings in SPB. There has been a time when Skokov and Clemens were visiting the Black Sea coast at the same time, staying in the same villa and shooting at the same locations. Rylsky was there too.
Interesting comments by the photographer. It would be truly astonishing if the three big sites - MetArt, Femjoy, and MPL - didn't know that they have a very large number of photographers in common. No one can be that oblivious.
On those sites, members are generally interested in the model first, and the photographer second if at all. (As opposed to a photographer-centric site like 500px, where the reverse is true). Given that, those sites surely aren't worried that they have a high percentage of photographers in common. Who cares, as long as members like a model and continue to download her content?
Are MetArt and Femjoy really going to buy more of Genevieve Gandi's sets than they otherwise would simply because Matiss uses a different alias on each site? Or do both sites buy as many sets as they think her popularity merits, and no more?
Does Fabrice really sell more of Suzanna A's sets to Femjoy and MetArt than he otherwise would because he uses a different alias on each site? Or does each site buy sets based on how popular Suzanna is with their members?
Or look at it the other way around. Did MPL stop buying Talia's sets because her photographer always used the same name? Or did they buy everything they could because she was popular and it didn't matter that all of her sets were shot by the same photographer using the same name? Would MPL really have bought more sets if Jan Svend used multiple aliases? Or did he in fact sell everything he could shoot of Talia to MPL?
Did MetArt really buy more of Anna AJ's sets because her photographer used two aliases? Or did they buy dozens of her sets because she was popular?
If I am a content manager at one of these sites, I will buy sets based on the model's popularity. If you want to sell me sets of a popular model under five different aliases, I will be happy to buy them all. If you want to sell me those sets under the same name, I will still be happy to buy them all. And if you want to sell sets under one alias on my site, and a different alias on another site, I don't care. The model's popularity will be my guide - I won't buy any more, or any less, because of the aliases.
In short, multiple aliases aren't going to increase a photographer's sales. But given the enthusiasm photographers have for multiple aliases, perhaps I should prepare to be surprised
I don't know about you, but does anyone feel a little bit of guilt owning Annett's photos and videos, especially now with these unfortunate revelations coming out. I'm assuming most, if not all of you, here have already downloaded all of her modelling content from such sites as MPL, Stunning18, and Met-Art. Does it bother you that the photos/videos that you purchased and downloaded came from a complete lying, manipulative scumbag like Antonio Clemens who basically scammed people and ruined their lives?
I'm seriously considering deleting all of Annett's modelling content from my computer because of this, though I'm having second thoughts. What would you do in this situation?
My 2 cents: I've come to believe Clemens and Sironi are different people. Why? Because the one model I pay close attention to is a "different person" when shot by one and then the other. Just as she's markedly different when shot by Rylsky.
Different photogs see and emphasize different things. There are also sometimes subtle technical clues, as in lighting and sharpness.
This despite them appearing to use the same model of camera, the same location, at about the same time.
If they are one in the same, more kudos to "their" creativity :-)) ☯
I would personally keep her pics and videos as a reminder of her unrivaled talent, her flawless beauty, her pure elegance; her lovely smile (:, and most of all, her enormous contribution to erotic modeling. Annett worked hard for all of this. You can tell by the sheer quality and volume of her work. She was devoted enough to spend all this time posing nude for the cameras; shooting more nude scenes than probably most models in their entire careers! Just because Antonio and others did all these horrible things to her, doesn't take away from her accomplishments! Annett made what others might consider pornographic into an actual tasteful art-form. Her beautiful, flexible body and the way she moved it around, made it look like you were watching an actual ballet performance, even though she was nude for most of the time. No other model has been able to achieve blending 2 totally different and contradictory worlds into something so beautiful and meaningful.
For that, I'm thankful that she did what she did and this is why I'll always consider her to be one of my favorite models ever!
It's a pity that a GoFundMe account, or something similar, can't be set up to give Annett a cushion to weather the storm. But that would only attract more attention to her situation, which is the last thing she needs.
@CreamPie
I never really thought about it that way. Thanks for your insight. I'll try to keep that in mind.
@Cygnus
That's actually not a bad idea. I remember a few years ago, some posters from another "Nude Model" database site like this one set up a fund for a model who was suffering from cancer. They didn't even bother mentioning that she was a nude model in order to protect her privacy. All they said was that she had a brain tumor and that she needed some money for chemotherapy or something like that. Don't know if they actually raised any money or not, but at least there's decent people out there wanting to help out a complete stranger who they've never met in real life.
I wish there was a way we can help Annett, though. You're probably right that we shouldn't interfere with her personal life and all that. It just sucks that we know all about her troubled situation and yet we can't do anything about it! I guess the best way to help her out is to have all those fake accounts deleted, warn others about Antonio Clemens, and allow time for Annett to heal from this traumatic experience. Wish her the best in whatever path life takes her. That's all we can hope for.
I suppose there is one very small way we can help Annett - have her content on non-MetArt sites removed. That way, someone who knows Annett, but doesn't know about her nude modeling, won't accidentally stumble upon her work. It's impossible to remove everything, but it will be a help however small. It's better than nothing. There is also the quaint notion that if you want to view Annett's content, you should pay for it
For example, a quick search revealed this content on Vimeo and Youtube:
You can report the content to MetArt anonymously here so that they can file a takedown request: https://www.metart.com/piracy/
Many of those videos of Annett circulating all over Youtube, Porn-hub and Vimeo, etc. get taken down rather easily anyways, so we don't need to worry too much about them. But I did report them just as an extra precaution. I'll also see if I can report Annett's fake Facebook, Twitter, and VK again. It didn't work the first time, but I'm hoping with more people sending reports, the administrators would be more willing to take them down.
I'm also still waiting for Antonio's response to my email that I sent him more than a week ago now. To tell you the truth, I highly doubt he'll ever respond at this point. This pretty much proves he's guilty as hell! If Antonio is so busy running his business and doesn't have the time to answer a simple email, why hasn't he also updated his Stunning18 website since last month? Usually, he posts a new gallery or video on the first day of the month. It's now February 4. Something fishy about this whole thing.
Most (all?) of the unauthorized videos you might find have been around for years judging by the upload dates. Clearly no one has made any effort to remove them, not even MetArt. Perhaps they write it off as advertising, but these videos usually don't credit anyone - the site, the model, or the photographer. The Vimeo uploader goes one step further and presents the videos as his own. No one is going to become a subscriber watching these videos because they won't know where they came from. And there are surely plenty more videos than just the four I found, to say nothing of pictures.
Ironically I got this idea when I read the recent Vimeo post on Annett's VK account. That video had 600,000 views! Just think how many of Annett's acquaintances could have seen that video! And think how many more sets/videos Annett could have shot (and been paid for) if all those people had been subscribers!
As for Stunning18's update schedule, extreme tardiness has been the rule, not the exception, from the very start of the site. Clemens routinely lets two weeks or more go by before updating the site. Once the site went a full month without updates. He has no urgency because the site is small and not a big money maker for him. So he spends his time on bigger pursuits. It's not a professional way to run a site, especially one with his name on it, but there you have it. When he does get around to it, the updates are backdated to make it appear that a regular schedule had been kept. No other MetArt site operates like this. Why MetArt tolerates it is a mystery. Don't read anything into it.
You're talking about the Vimeo video that was posted on the Anya Subbotina VK page on "22 Dec 2017". Right? That video was deleted a couple of weeks ago along with the user's account. However, there's 2 other accounts on Vimeo that are posting Annett's videos:
I know I have no evidence, but I have a nagging suspicion that these 2 accounts, plus the one that got deleted are from the same person and if you were able to trace them back to their source, it would probably lead all the way back to Antonio Clemens and/or his sidekick, Arsen Odzelashvili.
Yup, just what I expected. Looks like someone just got caught red-handed once again! Arsen Odzelashvili just posted that monstore.biz link on his VK account! The very same link that was posted on the Anya Subbotina and Yulya Kravtsova VK accounts just a couple of days ago! This further proves what most of us already know by now: Anya and Yulya's accounts are fake and it's Arsen who created them!
Notice too that Arsen's account is always online at around the same time as Anya's account which shows that Arsen is constantly switching accounts: logging onto his account one moment, then logging onto the fake Anya account a moment later.
I don't think Clemens is behind these videos. On sites like Vimeo or 500px, which were created to allow photographers to showcase their works, some people like to pass off other people's work as their own. They're impostors. Stephen Smythe for example is certainly one of them. Just read his brief bio.
Note that both the Stephen Smythe and Nude Ballet accounts have removed the opening and closing credits, and the Stunning18 logo in the lower right corner. If Clemens had posted any of these videos, he would want you to know. How else would you know where to go to become a subscriber, buy a private order, etc?
And note that Nude Ballet's videos already have 77,000 views in just two weeks. That's 65,000+ more views than on Stunning18 in 4+ years! Annett didn't get paid for any of those views. Worse, she obviously knows a lot of people in the dance world. Imagine if any of them go to Vimeo and stumble across her. It's the last thing she needs.
This is just Vimeo. Doubtless there is much more of her content on bigger sites like Youtube or Pornhub and its sister sites. Just run the obvious search terms like "nude ballerina", "Ukrainian ballerina", "flexible ballerina", "Annett A", or even the titles of her videos. I'm sure you could assemble a long list of her videos on these sites.
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Different people seem to have got different answers when asking who's-the-same-as-who. I've been exchanging emails with 2 of the photographers involved and the answers I got were different from anything I read below. One of them told me that the other one, "a friend of his", was deliberately spinning a web of confusion to make it appear that he was multiple photographers because like that he could sell more to the likes of Met and FJ than a single photographer could. And would I please not reveal that photographer X is really the same as Y...
One thing that appears certain is that Skokov aka Sergey Akion aka Marian Silva aka M.Smirnov is a different photographer. He's located in Krasnodar (southern Russia) whereas Clemens plus aliases plus twin brothers is located in St-Petersburg. Skokov and Clemens know each other and have been known to exchange models, e.g. Skokov has "borrowed" Annett for a few shootings on the Black Sea coast and Clemens has borrowed Sofy B, a Skokov model from Krasnodar, for a few shootings in SPB. There has been a time when Skokov and Clemens were visiting the Black Sea coast at the same time, staying in the same villa and shooting at the same locations. Rylsky was there too.
Metmonk,
Interesting comments by the photographer. It would be truly astonishing if the three big sites - MetArt, Femjoy, and MPL - didn't know that they have a very large number of photographers in common. No one can be that oblivious.
On those sites, members are generally interested in the model first, and the photographer second if at all. (As opposed to a photographer-centric site like 500px, where the reverse is true). Given that, those sites surely aren't worried that they have a high percentage of photographers in common. Who cares, as long as members like a model and continue to download her content?
Are MetArt and Femjoy really going to buy more of Genevieve Gandi's sets than they otherwise would simply because Matiss uses a different alias on each site? Or do both sites buy as many sets as they think her popularity merits, and no more?
Does Fabrice really sell more of Suzanna A's sets to Femjoy and MetArt than he otherwise would because he uses a different alias on each site? Or does each site buy sets based on how popular Suzanna is with their members?
Or look at it the other way around. Did MPL stop buying Talia's sets because her photographer always used the same name? Or did they buy everything they could because she was popular and it didn't matter that all of her sets were shot by the same photographer using the same name? Would MPL really have bought more sets if Jan Svend used multiple aliases? Or did he in fact sell everything he could shoot of Talia to MPL?
Did MetArt really buy more of Anna AJ's sets because her photographer used two aliases? Or did they buy dozens of her sets because she was popular?
If I am a content manager at one of these sites, I will buy sets based on the model's popularity. If you want to sell me sets of a popular model under five different aliases, I will be happy to buy them all. If you want to sell me those sets under the same name, I will still be happy to buy them all. And if you want to sell sets under one alias on my site, and a different alias on another site, I don't care. The model's popularity will be my guide - I won't buy any more, or any less, because of the aliases.
In short, multiple aliases aren't going to increase a photographer's sales. But given the enthusiasm photographers have for multiple aliases, perhaps I should prepare to be surprised
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I don't know about you, but does anyone feel a little bit of guilt owning Annett's photos and videos, especially now with these unfortunate revelations coming out. I'm assuming most, if not all of you, here have already downloaded all of her modelling content from such sites as MPL, Stunning18, and Met-Art. Does it bother you that the photos/videos that you purchased and downloaded came from a complete lying, manipulative scumbag like Antonio Clemens who basically scammed people and ruined their lives?
I'm seriously considering deleting all of Annett's modelling content from my computer because of this, though I'm having second thoughts. What would you do in this situation?
My 2 cents: I've come to believe Clemens and Sironi are different people. Why? Because the one model I pay close attention to is a "different person" when shot by one and then the other. Just as she's markedly different when shot by Rylsky.
Different photogs see and emphasize different things. There are also sometimes subtle technical clues, as in lighting and sharpness.
This despite them appearing to use the same model of camera, the same location, at about the same time.
If they are one in the same, more kudos to "their" creativity :-)) ☯
Yosh,
I would personally keep her pics and videos as a reminder of her unrivaled talent, her flawless beauty, her pure elegance; her lovely smile (:, and most of all, her enormous contribution to erotic modeling. Annett worked hard for all of this. You can tell by the sheer quality and volume of her work. She was devoted enough to spend all this time posing nude for the cameras; shooting more nude scenes than probably most models in their entire careers! Just because Antonio and others did all these horrible things to her, doesn't take away from her accomplishments! Annett made what others might consider pornographic into an actual tasteful art-form. Her beautiful, flexible body and the way she moved it around, made it look like you were watching an actual ballet performance, even though she was nude for most of the time. No other model has been able to achieve blending 2 totally different and contradictory worlds into something so beautiful and meaningful.
For that, I'm thankful that she did what she did and this is why I'll always consider her to be one of my favorite models ever!
Yosh,
It's a pity that a GoFundMe account, or something similar, can't be set up to give Annett a cushion to weather the storm. But that would only attract more attention to her situation, which is the last thing she needs.
@CreamPie
I never really thought about it that way. Thanks for your insight. I'll try to keep that in mind.
@Cygnus
That's actually not a bad idea. I remember a few years ago, some posters from another "Nude Model" database site like this one set up a fund for a model who was suffering from cancer. They didn't even bother mentioning that she was a nude model in order to protect her privacy. All they said was that she had a brain tumor and that she needed some money for chemotherapy or something like that. Don't know if they actually raised any money or not, but at least there's decent people out there wanting to help out a complete stranger who they've never met in real life.
I wish there was a way we can help Annett, though. You're probably right that we shouldn't interfere with her personal life and all that. It just sucks that we know all about her troubled situation and yet we can't do anything about it! I guess the best way to help her out is to have all those fake accounts deleted, warn others about Antonio Clemens, and allow time for Annett to heal from this traumatic experience. Wish her the best in whatever path life takes her. That's all we can hope for.
All,
I suppose there is one very small way we can help Annett - have her content on non-MetArt sites removed. That way, someone who knows Annett, but doesn't know about her nude modeling, won't accidentally stumble upon her work. It's impossible to remove everything, but it will be a help however small. It's better than nothing. There is also the quaint notion that if you want to view Annett's content, you should pay for it
For example, a quick search revealed this content on Vimeo and Youtube:
You can report the content to MetArt anonymously here so that they can file a takedown request: https://www.metart.com/piracy/
No doubt there is also a mountain of her content on Pornhub and its sister sites. You can report this to MetArt or to Russell on the Message Board (see the Pornhub thread): https://www.thenude.eu/index.php?page=message_board&action=index
Cygnus,
Many of those videos of Annett circulating all over Youtube, Porn-hub and Vimeo, etc. get taken down rather easily anyways, so we don't need to worry too much about them. But I did report them just as an extra precaution. I'll also see if I can report Annett's fake Facebook, Twitter, and VK again. It didn't work the first time, but I'm hoping with more people sending reports, the administrators would be more willing to take them down.
I'm also still waiting for Antonio's response to my email that I sent him more than a week ago now. To tell you the truth, I highly doubt he'll ever respond at this point. This pretty much proves he's guilty as hell! If Antonio is so busy running his business and doesn't have the time to answer a simple email, why hasn't he also updated his Stunning18 website since last month? Usually, he posts a new gallery or video on the first day of the month. It's now February 4. Something fishy about this whole thing.
CreamPie,
Most (all?) of the unauthorized videos you might find have been around for years judging by the upload dates. Clearly no one has made any effort to remove them, not even MetArt. Perhaps they write it off as advertising, but these videos usually don't credit anyone - the site, the model, or the photographer. The Vimeo uploader goes one step further and presents the videos as his own. No one is going to become a subscriber watching these videos because they won't know where they came from. And there are surely plenty more videos than just the four I found, to say nothing of pictures.
Ironically I got this idea when I read the recent Vimeo post on Annett's VK account. That video had 600,000 views! Just think how many of Annett's acquaintances could have seen that video! And think how many more sets/videos Annett could have shot (and been paid for) if all those people had been subscribers!
As for Stunning18's update schedule, extreme tardiness has been the rule, not the exception, from the very start of the site. Clemens routinely lets two weeks or more go by before updating the site. Once the site went a full month without updates. He has no urgency because the site is small and not a big money maker for him. So he spends his time on bigger pursuits. It's not a professional way to run a site, especially one with his name on it, but there you have it. When he does get around to it, the updates are backdated to make it appear that a regular schedule had been kept. No other MetArt site operates like this. Why MetArt tolerates it is a mystery. Don't read anything into it.
Cygnus,
You're talking about the Vimeo video that was posted on the Anya Subbotina VK page on "22 Dec 2017". Right? That video was deleted a couple of weeks ago along with the user's account. However, there's 2 other accounts on Vimeo that are posting Annett's videos:
https://vimeo.com/user67119698 (You already mentioned this one.)
https://vimeo.com/nude4ballet (This one was created 2 weeks ago.)
I know I have no evidence, but I have a nagging suspicion that these 2 accounts, plus the one that got deleted are from the same person and if you were able to trace them back to their source, it would probably lead all the way back to Antonio Clemens and/or his sidekick, Arsen Odzelashvili.
Yup, just what I expected. Looks like someone just got caught red-handed once again! Arsen Odzelashvili just posted that monstore.biz link on his VK account! The very same link that was posted on the Anya Subbotina and Yulya Kravtsova VK accounts just a couple of days ago! This further proves what most of us already know by now: Anya and Yulya's accounts are fake and it's Arsen who created them!
Notice too that Arsen's account is always online at around the same time as Anya's account which shows that Arsen is constantly switching accounts: logging onto his account one moment, then logging onto the fake Anya account a moment later.
Creampie,
Yes, I was referring to the video you cited.
I don't think Clemens is behind these videos. On sites like Vimeo or 500px, which were created to allow photographers to showcase their works, some people like to pass off other people's work as their own. They're impostors. Stephen Smythe for example is certainly one of them. Just read his brief bio.
Note that both the Stephen Smythe and Nude Ballet accounts have removed the opening and closing credits, and the Stunning18 logo in the lower right corner. If Clemens had posted any of these videos, he would want you to know. How else would you know where to go to become a subscriber, buy a private order, etc?
And note that Nude Ballet's videos already have 77,000 views in just two weeks. That's 65,000+ more views than on Stunning18 in 4+ years! Annett didn't get paid for any of those views. Worse, she obviously knows a lot of people in the dance world. Imagine if any of them go to Vimeo and stumble across her. It's the last thing she needs.
This is just Vimeo. Doubtless there is much more of her content on bigger sites like Youtube or Pornhub and its sister sites. Just run the obvious search terms like "nude ballerina", "Ukrainian ballerina", "flexible ballerina", "Annett A", or even the titles of her videos. I'm sure you could assemble a long list of her videos on these sites.
By the way, here is a member (SmuthJaz) complaining about the lack of updates on Stunning18 three years ago. Nothing's changed since:
https://www.stunning18.com/blog/20140909/Antonio_Clemens___photographer_s_bio/
Yosh and DrySteam,
Of course another way to help her is to report her accounts to Facebook, Twitter, etc. so they can be removed.